Zac Eisenstein of Man Overboard fame is on the show this week discussing what it takes to be a musician and what it is like to pursue a career in music. We talk about collaborating with other creative people and navigating different tolerances to risk and accepting when life gets in the way. Zac delves into figuring out when to get help from agents, managers, and record labels and when people claiming to be able to help you may actually want you to help them.