For episode 194, Elia Ayoub is joined by Amos Goldberg, Professor of Holocaust History at the Department of Jewish History and Contemporary Jewry at The Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Goldberg is among the most vocal Israeli historians of the Holocaust to have called Israel’s actions in Gaza genocide. In 2024, he wrote a paper for the Journal of Genocide Research on the question of intent, which we explored in part 1.
In this episode, the second part of their conversation, they get into the crisis within Holocaust and Genocide Studies since the start of the Gaza genocide.
In the last segment, they spoke about “The Holocaust and the Nakba: A New Grammar of Trauma and History”, which Goldberg co-edited, and argue for the necessity of new horizons in our imaginaries.
The full, uninterrupted episode is available for free on Patreon.
Articles by Goldberg:
Le Monde: 'What is happening in Gaza is a genocide because Gaza does not exist anymore'
Haaretz: There's No Auschwitz in Gaza. But It's Still Genocide.
Books by Goldberg:
Other Links:
Elia’s newsletter Hauntologies includes articles on “the Ghosts of Israel’s Futures”
Lee Mordechai: Witnessing the Gaza War
The Fire These Times: The Holocaust, the Nakba and Reparative Memory with Daniel Voskoboynik
The Fire These Times: Remembering the Nakba, Imagining the Future w/ Dana El Kurd
For more:
Elia Ayoub is on Bluesky, Mastodon, Instagram and blogs at Hauntologies.net
The Fire These Times is on Bluesky, Instagram and has a website
From The Periphery is on Patreon, Bluesky, YouTube, Instagram, and has a website
Credits:
Elia Ayoub (host, producer, sound editor, episode design), Rap and Revenge (Music), Wenyi Geng (TFTT theme design), Hisham Rifai (FTP theme design) and Molly Crabapple (FTP team profile pics).