In this conversation between Erika (not her real name) and Troy Love, Erika discusses her struggle to relax and rejuvenate. She acknowledges the pressure to work constantly and the fear that taking time for herself will lead to more work piling up. Erika is also aware of her inner shadows, like the judge and the martyr, who constantly criticize and pressure her. Troy encourages Erika to start with small increments of time for self-care, even just five minutes, and to fiercely protect that time as non-negotiable. The conversation ends with Erka acknowledging her need for this time and her commitment to incorporating it into her routine despite the discomfort it may initially bring. Overall, the discussion highlights the challenges many individuals face in balancing work and self-care and the importance of permitting oneself to prioritize personal well-being.