It's fashionable at the moment to take swipes at ESG investing, in particular politicians in the US have been quick to seize on any messaging that might save their constituents money in the short term. But for those of us more keenly interested in the long-term outcomes for society and the planet is there an alternative to ESG? In this podcast Tim Smith, one of the most respected observers of the Capital Markets and one of the founders of the ICCR in New York picks up the debate.