Today, I'm joined by Kevan Bard, Director of Product Security at Morningstar. With 20 years of experience in information security, Kevan has helped shape security practices across various organizations. He’s passionate about building blue team careers, with a focus on recruiting, mentoring, and staff development.When not busy cultivating kaizen, emotional intelligence, secure coding practices, and data privacy principles, Kevan enjoys building community and capturing the world through his lens.In this episode, we explore why security needs to be institutionalized to win, and how the role of Product Managers should evolve to integrate security into their processes. We’ll also discuss why storytelling is crucial in security education, and why the term ASPM is overrated—particularly because its true value isn’t being marketed effectively, especially in one-pagers that focus too heavily on bold claims.