In this episode, Dr. Mark Chironna welcomes Bishop Spencer L. Smith for a heartfelt and wide-ranging conversation shaped by their shared musical and theological backgrounds.

Bishop Spencer reflects on his growing disillusionment with the music industry, offering an honest look at the tensions between calling and career. Together, He and Dr. Chironna explore how their upbringing in the church formed their faith and commitment while emphasizing the importance of a collective conversation about our past and present to imagine a more faithful future.