The ecological crisis is foremost a crisis in our ways of thinking. Join digital ecologist Attila Márton in his conversations with thought leaders, as he attempts to learn about how we have to change our philosophies to develop an ecologic style of thinking ready for the 21st century.
The ecological crisis is foremost a crisis in our ways of thinking. Join digital ecologist Attila Márton in his conversations with thought leaders, as he attempts to learn about how we have to change our philosophies to develop an ecologic style of thinking ready for the 21st century.

What is the difference between thinking ecologically and thinking about ecology? In this episode, we speak with Nora Bateson, systems thinker, ecological philosopher, writer, and filmmaker, whose work has been highly influential for this podcast.
Nora carries forward a remarkable intellectual legacy. Her father, Gregory Bateson, was a pioneering anthropologist and ecological thinker, and her grandfather, William Bateson, coined the term genetics. The phrase ecology of ideas, which gives this podcast its name, comes directly from her father's work.
Nora invites us to see the world not as isolated issues, but as interconnected patterns within living systems. Through this lens, we begin to understand that ecological awareness is not just about the environment but about how we relate with those interconnected patterns.
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Reading recommendation: Bateson N. (2023) Combining. Triarchy Press.
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recorded 11th December 2023
Editing and Post-Production by Emil Munk
Hosted by Attila Márton
Original Music by Ariel Bialksi
Recording by Jakob Ranum
Produced by Attila Márton and Emil Munk
This episode was financially supported by the Copenhagen Business School