The ecological crisis is foremost a crisis in our ways of thinking. Join digital ecologist Attila Márton in his conversations with thought leaders, as he attempts to learn about how we have to change our philosophies to develop an ecologic style of thinking ready for the 21st century.
The ecological crisis is foremost a crisis in our ways of thinking. Join digital ecologist Attila Márton in his conversations with thought leaders, as he attempts to learn about how we have to change our philosophies to develop an ecologic style of thinking ready for the 21st century.

None of us would say we want war, poverty, or environmental collapse. And yet, these crises continue to unfold around us. Why is it so hard to collaborate and prevent the very things we all oppose?
In this episode, we’re joined by Maja Göpel, German political economist and transformation researcher, to explore this question. According to Maja, the problem lies in the deep structures of our institutions, which are still shaped by a logic of extraction and a culture of incrementalism. These frameworks limit our ability to respond meaningfully to systemic challenges like climate change.
Maja invites us to imagine new ways of organizing society that break free from small, cautious steps and instead embrace bold, collective transformation rooted in an ecological mindset.
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Reading recommendation: Göpel M. (2023) Rethinking Our World: An Invitation to Rescue Our Future. Scribe Publications.
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recorded 8th December 2023
Editing and Post-Production by Emil Munk
Hosted by Attila Márton
Original Music by Ariel Bialksi
Recording by Jakob Ranum
Produced by Attila Márton and Emil Munk
This episode was financially supported by the Copenhagen Business School