Jerry MacDonald's 30 plus year career in music is worthy of some best-selling novel or Hollywood blockbuster treatment. Jerry is best-known for his time playing in The Wrens who released what many consider to be one the greatest indie-rock records of all time in 2003, Meadowlands. That also happens to be the most recent release from The Wrens. A full 18 years later, after a few hints of a long-awaited follow-up that has yet to materialize, 3/4 of The Wrens formed under the moniker Aeon Station and released the brilliant debut album Observatory in late 2021. It may be as close as the world ever gets to a "new" album from The Wrens. In this wide-ranging interview, Jerry and Jamie discuss much of Jerry's backstory in drumming, the music business and what "success" means, the founding of both The Wrens and Aeon Station, and so much more. If any young drummer or other musician needs to find a reason or motivation to continue chasing their artistic dreams, they will absolutely find it in this episode...