Kyle Hardy, CEO of Hardy Dynamics, and Ashkan Bayatpour, U.S. Navy Reserve Officer, join the show to break down the future of drone warfare and the challenges of building software for autonomous swarms. We dig into the reality of counter-drone operations, why electronic warfare and lasers fall short, and why kinetic defenses are still the only reliable option. The conversation covers AI integration, vendor lock problems, DOD acquisition hurdles, and the rapidly evolving threat landscape in Ukraine and beyond. Hardy and Bayatpour also share their personal paths from Navy intel to defense startups, and what it takes to bridge the gap between commercial innovation and national security.Episode #42.---Links to the show:https://www.youtube.com/@thedroneultimatumhttps://open.spotify.com/show/3F1sc8yzQIF9WcdHQ3w7kf?si=3af8082184104062https://thedroneultimatum.substack.com/https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-drone-ultimatum/id1770994541https://www.instagram.com/thedroneultimatum/https://x.com/droneultimatumhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/the-drone-ultimatum?trk=public_post_feed-actor-nameFollow Steve:https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevensimoni/https://x.com/StevenSimonihttps://www.allencontrolsystems.com/#podcast #drones #dronewarfare #counteruas #defensetech #militaryinnovation #dod #navyintel #startups #artificialintelligence #droneai #uas #uaswarfare #militarytech #aerospace #dronecountermeasures #droneindustry #natsec #dronepolicy #militarydrones #defensestartups