Clem Garritty is the co-founder and creative director at Swamp Motel. Swamp Motel creates entertainment that blurs boundaries between theatre, film and gaming. By giving audiences a pivotal role within story-worlds, Swamp Motel’s innovative productions are always live, social and thrilling whether experiencing them from your sofa, your desk or in an unexpected venue. Their online experiences combine the artistry of immersive theatre with the thrill of an escape room, made for the internet. Here Clem goes back with us to the start of the company, how he makes work and uses technology within his work. Making money is necessary as an artist but it is often a "dirty" subject which most duck away from speaking about. What stayed with me after the conversation is how Clem doesn't do this. This is the conversation that many will need, and has the potential to transform how we think about making work.