This episode was recorded on May 4, 2025, and it features an interview I conducted with writer, author and intellectual Michael Walzer on September 8, 2024. Michael discusses his views on the war in Gaza, and his critique of human rights organizations and prominent individuals who have accused the Israeli government of apartheid in the Occupied Palestinian Territories and within its borders. Michael also discusses the origins of the rise of the Israeli Far Right and the decline of the Israeli Left, and why recent events offer a window of opportunity for the Left to regain a foothold in Israeli politics. Michael and I also discuss the history of within-group disagreement in the Zionist movement regarding how Zionism should be interpreted and lived out in people's actual lives. Michael and I also discuss whether US military aid to Israel should ever be suspended or conditioned because of Israel's occupation of Gaza. I also share my position on the the war in Gaza including why I consider the Israeli government's actions to be genocide. I also discuss the importance of opposing this genocide, while also strongly denouncing both actual antisemitism -- it is on the rise which should disturb us all --and the weaponization of antisemitism by bad-faith actors within the US and Israeli governments.