Pat discusses his transition from teaching CrossFit to personal and small group training, as well as his use of unconventional tools like maces and clubs. He emphasizes the importance of self-experimentation in nutrition and notes the growing interest in alternative sources of information. Danny talks about his gym business and his plan to stick with it for the next 5-10 years, while also discussing the cost and benefits of blood and gene testing for supplements. Key Points • Pat discusses how he transitioned from teaching primarily CrossFit classes to focusing on personal training and small group training (3:56) • Danny asks Pat about teaching unconventional tools like maces and clubs, and Pat explains how he started with basic steps and cues to build up to more complex movements (7:12) • Danny asks Pat how he got into unconventional tools and who inspired him, and Pat mentions discovering Onnit and following people like Primal Soldier. (11:02) • Pat notes that maces and clubs were originally used by wrestlers and transfer well to jiu jitsu (15:41) • Pat discusses how he adjusted his business during COVID, including doing Zoom training and group classes with high school kids (20:41) • Pat considered opening his own gym but decided to focus on building his online business first (28:43) • Danny owns his own gym and started renting space to other trainers to create a positive environment where everyone can make money (32:14) • Danny talks about his plan to stick with his gym business for the next 5-10 years and how it reflects his heart chakra (35:30) • They discuss the overwhelming amount of conflicting information in the fitness and nutrition space and the importance of experimenting on oneself to find what works best (42:43) • Pat notes that nutrition is particularly gray and dogmatic approaches don't work for everyone, emphasizing the need for self-experimentation. (46:58) • Danny discusses Gary Brecka and his company Ten X, which offers blood work and gene testing to determine deficiencies and supplements accordingly (47:55) • Danny explains that the cost for the initial blood test and gene testing is $500 and $250 respectively, and supplements can be expensive depending on the deficiencies found (51:38) • The speakers discuss the willingness of people to take pharmaceuticals and undergo extreme weight loss measures instead of addressing deficiencies and changing lifestyle habits. They believe there is a turning of the tides towards alternative approaches to healthcare, but it may take time for it to become more accessible. (52:35) • Pat praises Huberman for being open and presenting information without being dogmatic, and notes that people are starting to seek out alternative sources of information in addition to traditional medicine (56:31) • Danny and Pat discuss how Joe Rogan's podcast has influenced their approach to health and wellness (58:55) • Danny thanks Pat again and expresses interest in doing another interview in the future. (1:06:52)