Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture. Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyAwlZ1kLg Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNHIxGAMn8 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Biggest takeaways so far 05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm 08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts 10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“ 12:12 Art as religion 19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes 24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom 27:29 “The descent of the artisan“ 34:41 Architecture: art or craft…? 41:49 The term “disinterestedness“ 45:00 The final consolidation of “Art“ 48:47 Photography: was it ever a threat? 55:40 Modernism 1890-1930 1:06:18 The 1930´s & representational styles 1:09:00 Modernism as “anti-totalitarian“ 1:14:05 Repeating the art vs craft division 1:19:25 Post-Modernism as an alternative? 1:22:51 A people without identity & a third system of the arts This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Jikke Gruwel. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com