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The Cave of Apelles
Jan-Ove Tuv & Bork S. Nerdrum
128 episodes
7 months ago
Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture. Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyAwlZ1kLg Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNHIxGAMn8 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Biggest takeaways so far 05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm 08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts 10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“ 12:12 Art as religion 19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes 24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom 27:29 “The descent of the artisan“ 34:41 Architecture: art or craft…? 41:49 The term “disinterestedness“ 45:00 The final consolidation of “Art“ 48:47 Photography: was it ever a threat? 55:40 Modernism 1890-1930 1:06:18 The 1930´s & representational styles 1:09:00 Modernism as “anti-totalitarian“ 1:14:05 Repeating the art vs craft division 1:19:25 Post-Modernism as an alternative? 1:22:51 A people without identity & a third system of the arts This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Jikke Gruwel. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com
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Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture. Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyAwlZ1kLg Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNHIxGAMn8 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Biggest takeaways so far 05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm 08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts 10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“ 12:12 Art as religion 19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes 24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom 27:29 “The descent of the artisan“ 34:41 Architecture: art or craft…? 41:49 The term “disinterestedness“ 45:00 The final consolidation of “Art“ 48:47 Photography: was it ever a threat? 55:40 Modernism 1890-1930 1:06:18 The 1930´s & representational styles 1:09:00 Modernism as “anti-totalitarian“ 1:14:05 Repeating the art vs craft division 1:19:25 Post-Modernism as an alternative? 1:22:51 A people without identity & a third system of the arts This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Jikke Gruwel. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com
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Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology
The Cave of Apelles
1 hour 44 minutes 49 seconds
1 year ago
Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology
Jon White has studied Indo-European mythology for more than thirty years, particularly focusing on cosmogony and creation myths. As an independent researcher and lecturer, he shares this knowledge on his YouTube-channel @Crecganford . Mr. White visits Cave of Apelles to detail the major motifs or "mythologems" of the Indo-European mythological tradition and what they denote. Considering that the Indo-Europeans lived in the Pontic-Caspian steppes about 7000 years ago, how did their stories spread to ancient India, Persia, Rome or Norse Scandinavia - changing, yet still retaining their core? Combining the study of myths with fields like linguistics, archeology and etymology Mr. White will unravel cross-cultural similarities in stories like The Cosmic Twins, Defeating the dragon, The cattle raiding myth and The wild hunt. He will also share his ideas on how we best are to understand myths. Are they projections of the human psyche, the condensed ethos of a culture or symbolic manifestations of natural and cultural history? More intriguing still: is the presence of myths and archetypal images particular to Homo sapiens or have they been transferred between human species? 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Intro 01:27 Who is Jon White? 04:21 Defining “myth" 11:57 The Indo-European creation myth and sacrifice of the cow 19:22 Who were the Indo-Europeans? 24:06 The academic study of myths 30:18 Cattle, three-headed monsters and Twins of creation 37:36 “Fame does not decay” - the magic of writing 41:00 Over 70 000 years of fighting the dragon 45:59 From cows to women - the problem of translation 50:27 The veracity of the poetic and prose Edda 56:27 The divine twins vs the creation twins 1:00:11 Defining “archetype” 1:04:31 What is NOT Indo-European? 1:06:25 Mythology and mindset 1:08:29 Inuit myths, and stars as protagonists 1:13:41 Ways of understanding myth 1:16:51 Polytheist vs monotheist worldviews? 1:21:25 Myths as projection of the human psyche? 1:31:39 Myths as condensed images 1:34:17 Pre-human myths? This episode featured Jon F. White & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a reproduction of "Sleeping Twins" by Odd Nerdrum. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com
The Cave of Apelles
Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture. Part one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyAwlZ1kLg Part two: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huNHIxGAMn8 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Biggest takeaways so far 05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm 08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts 10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“ 12:12 Art as religion 19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes 24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom 27:29 “The descent of the artisan“ 34:41 Architecture: art or craft…? 41:49 The term “disinterestedness“ 45:00 The final consolidation of “Art“ 48:47 Photography: was it ever a threat? 55:40 Modernism 1890-1930 1:06:18 The 1930´s & representational styles 1:09:00 Modernism as “anti-totalitarian“ 1:14:05 Repeating the art vs craft division 1:19:25 Post-Modernism as an alternative? 1:22:51 A people without identity & a third system of the arts This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Öde Nerdrum and Jikke Gruwel. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com