Are we progressing towards a brighter future, or have we lost something important on the way? Should we look at science and poetry through the same lens, or is that one of the reasons why we have ended up with modernism? Philosopher Stephen Hicks sits down with Classical painters, Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv, to discuss the modern belief in progress and whether it is shaping the art world for good or for bad. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Belief in progress: net negative or corrective to nihilist art world? 10:08 Recycling vs decay and "spiritual racism" 18:36 Cyclical history and modern nihilism 22:24 Only the Greek sculptures are destroyed 25:08 Progress vs unchanging reality 28:53 The universal in the particular 30:15 The fish pudding 35:12 Should painters celebrate scientific progress? 38:15 A piece of burned wood in Leonardo´s hands… 40:58 Melancholy, a gold mine 45:56 Skill, sensuality, desire and poetry 49:09 Meeting people on their weakest point 53:05 Death and resurrection of Rembrandt 57:21 Michelangelo's Pietá vs David 59:34 They developed their whole life 1:04:09 Made by the same person This episode featured Stephen Hicks, Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com