How safe should we be? This week, Jeremy Lundgren joins Bryce and Ashley to discuss the cultural pressures of 'safetyism' today, the shifting ways humans have related to safety across history, and the spiritual good of healthy risk in childhood. Jeremy Lundgren is director of the Nicolet Bible Institute and a professor of theology at Wheaton College. He is also the author of The Pursuit of Safety: A Theology of Danger, Risk, and Security. Sign up for The Willowbrae Institute substack here and find out more about the work Willowbrae does here. The Cartographers is a production of The Willowbrae Institute, a think tank researching the intersection of American Christianity and the common good. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices