Michael Freedman is a mathematician who was awarded the Fields Medal in 1986 for his solution of the 4-dimensional Poincare conjecture. Mike has also received numerous other awards for his scientific contributions including a MacArthur Fellowship and the National Medal of Science. In 1997, Mike joined Microsoft Research and in 2005 became the director of Station Q, Microsoft’s quantum computing research lab. As of 2023, Mike is a Senior Research Scientist at the Center for Mathematics and Scientific Applications at Harvard University. Patreon (bonus materials + video chat): https://www.patreon.com/timothynguyen In this wide-ranging conversation, we give a panoramic view of Mike’s extensive body of work over the span of his career. It is divided into three parts: early, middle, and present day, which respectively include his work on the 4-dimensional Poincare conjecture, his transition to topological physics, and finally his recent work in applying ideas from mathematics and philosophy to social economics. Our conversation is a blend of both the nitty-gritty details and the anecdotal story-telling that can only be obtained from a living legend. I. Introduction 00:00 : Preview 01:34 : Fields Medalist working in industry 03:24 : Academia vs industry 04:59 : Mathematics and art 06:33 : Technical overview II. Early Mike: The Poincare Conjecture (PC) 08:14 : Introduction, statement, and history 14:30 : Three categories for PC (topological, smooth, PL) 17:09 : Smale and PC for d at least 5 17:59 : Homotopy equivalence vs homeomorphism 22:08 : Joke 23:24 : Morse flow 33:21 : Whitney Disk 41:47 : Casson handles 50:24 : Manifold factors and the Whitehead continuum 1:00:39 : Donaldson’s results in the smooth category 1:04:54 : (Not) writing up full details of the proof then and now 1:08:56 : Why Perelman succeeded II. Mid Mike: Topological Quantum Field Theory (TQFT) and Quantum Computing (QC) 1:10:54: Introduction 1:11:42: Cliff Taubes, Raoul Bott, Ed Witten 1:12:40 : Computational complexity, Church-Turing, and Mike’s motivations 1:24:01 : Why Mike left academia, Microsoft’s offer, and Station Q 1:29:23 : Topological quantum field theory (according to Atiyah) 1:34:29 : Anyons and a theorem on Chern-Simons theories 1:38:57 : Relation to QC 1:46:08 : Universal TQFT 1:55:57 : Witten: Donalson theory cannot be a unitary TQFT 2:01:22 : Unitarity is possible in dimension 3 2:05:12 : Relations to a theory of everything? 2:07:21 : Where topological QC is now III. Present Mike: Social Economics 2:11:08 : Introduction 2:14:02 : Lionel Penrose and voting schemes 2:21:01 : Radical markets (pun intended) 2:25:45 : Quadratic finance/funding 2:30:51 : Kant’s categorical imperative and a paper of Vitalik Buterin, Zoe Hitzig, Glen Weyl 2:36:54 : Gauge equivariance 2:38:32 : Bertrand Russell: philosophers and differential equations IV: Outro 2:46:20 : Final thoughts on math, science, philosophy 2:51:22 : Career advice   Some Further Reading:Mike’s Harvard lecture on PC4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSF0i6BO1IgBehrens et al. The Disc Embedding Theorem.M. Freedman. Spinoza, Leibniz, Kant, and Weyl. arxiv:2206.14711   Twitter:@iamtimnguyen   Webpage:http://www.timothynguyen.org