In this episode, Nic Frost chats with David Carr about his journey from cabinet maker to entrepreneur in the cabinet software world. David shares how he moved from hands-on woodworking into software sales and eventually founded Cadmate. They talk about the power of building strong relationships, creating a community around your product, and staying adaptable—especially when challenges like COVID hit. The conversation covers everything from navigating software limitations and scaling a business to the impact of acquisitions and the growing role of AI. They also touch on the differences between cabinet-making in Australia and North America, and why transparency, flexibility, and community support matter more than ever in the industry.