In this episode of the Business Leadership Podcast, recorded live at Web Summit Vancouver 2025, host Edwin Frondozo welcomes Avery Pennarun, the co-founder and CEO of Tailscale. 

Avery discusses his journey from a young tech enthusiast to heading a company that reimagines secure networking through a zero-trust, developer-friendly approach. He elaborates on how Tailscale simplifies the process of connecting devices directly, bypassing the complexities and costs associated with traditional network infrastructure. 

Avery also shares insights into the challenges of transitioning from a technical role to a leadership role and the importance of building a team that can outperform individual capabilities. The episode concludes with Avery receiving a copy of the book 'Future Narrative,' co-authored by Edwin and Paul Newton.

00:00 Introduction to the Business Leadership Podcast
00:39 Meet Avery Pennarun: The Reluctant Entrepreneur
01:59 Avery's Experience at Web Summit Vancouver
03:09 The Problem with Secure Networking
08:07 Avery's Journey in Networking
11:36 The Complexity of Modern Technology
13:29 Tail Scale's Mission and Vision
19:58 Advice for Aspiring Business Leaders
21:31 Conclusion and Final Thoughts