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The Briefing by Weintraub Tobin
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247 episodes
4 days ago
In The Briefing by Weintraub Tobin, intellectual property attorney Scott Hervey and his guests discuss current IP issues related to trademark, copyright, and entertainment, as well as IP litigation and intellectual property in the news.
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In The Briefing by Weintraub Tobin, intellectual property attorney Scott Hervey and his guests discuss current IP issues related to trademark, copyright, and entertainment, as well as IP litigation and intellectual property in the news.
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The Nirvana Baby Lawsuit – A Win for Nirvana
The Briefing by Weintraub Tobin
10 minutes 37 seconds
2 weeks ago
The Nirvana Baby Lawsuit – A Win for Nirvana
A federal court has granted summary judgment for Nirvana, dismissing Spencer Elden’s claim that the Nevermind album cover — depicting him as a baby — constituted child pornography. In this episode of The Briefing, Scott Hervey and James Kachmar revisit their earlier coverage of the Ninth Circuit’s decision and unpack how the district court’s final ruling turned on artistic intent and context rather than perception.



Tune in to learn how the court applied the Dost factors, what this ruling means for artists and rights holders, and how intent shapes the boundary between art and exploitation.

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Scott: In a previous episode, we covered Elden versus Nirvana, the lawsuit brought by Spencer Elden, the Baby, on the cover of Nirvana's Never Mind album, who claimed that the image amounted to child pornography. The Ninth Circuit revived Elden's case in late 2023, holding that his claims were not time barred and sent it back to the District Court to decide the big question, was Nirvana's album cover child pornography? Now that question has been answered. The District Court has granted summary judgment for Nirvana, holding that the cover is not child pornography as a matter of law.

I'm Scott Hervey, and I'm joined today by my partner, James Kachmar. We are going to break down the District Court's ruling and evidence surrounding the artistic intent behind one of the most iconic album covers of all time on today's installment of The Briefing. James, welcome back to The Briefing. Good to have you.

James: Thanks for having me back, Scott.

Scott: So, James, when you and I last talked about this case, the Ninth Circuit had just revived Eldon's lawsuit. Can you remind the listeners how we got here?

James: Sure, Scott. The photograph at the heart of this case is on the cover of Nirvana's Never album. It's a naked baby swimming underwater, appears to be reaching for a dollar bill that's on a fishing hook. That baby, Spencer Eldon, was four months old when that photo was taken in 1991. Thirty years later, in 2021, Eldon sued Nirvana, the surviving band members, and their record labels under a federal law that allows victims of child pornography to bring civil claims. He alleged that the photo was sexually exploitive and that Nirvana had knowingly possessed, reproduced, and distributed what he claimed was child pornography.

Scott: And that case was originally dismissed on statute of limitations grounds.

James: Exactly, Scott. The District Court initially threw it out saying that Eldon had waited too long to sue. He turned 18 around 2009, but waited another 12 years to file his lawsuit. But in December 2023, the Ninth Circuit reversed, holding that because the album had been rereleased in 2021, Eldon could bring claims based on that recent republication. That sent the case back to the district Court to decide the substance of Alden's claim, whether or not the image itself met the legal definition of child pornography.

Scott: And now, the District Court, having heard arguments on both sides, has granted summary judgment for Nirvana. So Let's dive into the court's reasoning.

James: Sure. The court held at the Never mind cover simply doesn't meet the definition of child pornography under federal law.

Scott: Right. We don't normally dive into this on these podcasts, but this is a media case, and it is interesting. I think there's some other interesting aspects of this case that we're going to talk about later. Okay,
The Briefing by Weintraub Tobin
In The Briefing by Weintraub Tobin, intellectual property attorney Scott Hervey and his guests discuss current IP issues related to trademark, copyright, and entertainment, as well as IP litigation and intellectual property in the news.