Thank you for listening to The Brief Case! A podcast for lawyers, hosted by lawyer and cartoonist Sarah-Elke Kraal.

**PSA***

In this episode I make an 🥳exclusive🥳 announcement about the most hotly anticipated legal podcast ever... "SH!T THEY DON'T TEACH YOU AT LAW SCHOOL"!

If you want to get involved with this exciting project, here's the info you need:

• Connect with Sarah on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahelkekraal/
• 2 second *anonymous* survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/G7CD557
• The survey what signs you up to the mailing list: https://view.flodesk.com/pages/64d837196c7994e1535b2248

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"Closing the gap with Thelma Schwartz"

In episode 38, we catch up with the inimitable Thelma Schwartz who is Principal Legal Officer at QIFVLS, and an award-winning advocate for some of the most vulnerable clients in our community.

Thelma discusses:

• The National Agreement on Closing the Gap and in particular, the four justice targets (10, 11, 12 and 13);
• her work in driving systemic change and protecting Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women and children from family and domestic violence;
• the importance of trauma awareness when dealing with vulnerable clients; and
• how taxi drivers can teach you to be a better lawyer.

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SEASON THREE of the Brief Case is proudly sponsored by The University of Queensland Law School.

Discover a UQ postgraduate program custom-built for you.