In this powerful and personal episode, Jay and Dan confront the uncomfortable truth: your pain is real—but discipline doesn’t care. Whether it’s physical pain, emotional struggle, or mental exhaustion, the reality is this—if you want to grow, you still have to show up.

Jay shares his journey through chronic back pain and the brutal wake-up call of ignoring his own recovery. Dan opens up about breaking down mid-launch after a personal curveball, and how he still showed up anyway. Together, they unpack how avoiding hard things only compounds the pain—and how consistent action, not motivation, is what builds the life you want.