In this episode, Joshua speaks with Dr. Veronica Roberts Ogle. Dr. Ogle is an assistant professor of Philosophy and the Associate director of the honors program at Assumption University, where she also serves as the director of the Law, Ethics, and Constitutional Studies Program. She received her bachelor’s degree in philosophy and political science at Boston college, where she also earned her master’s degree in philosophy. She holds a second master’s degree in political science from the university of Notre Dame, where she further earned her PhD in Political Science. She has published several articles on Augustine and Augustine’s moral thought in journals such as Augustinain Studies, Studia Patristica, and the journal of religious Ethics. She has numerous book chapters on Augustine’s moral and political thought, and has co-edited the book Latreia and Idolatry: Augustine and the Quest for Right Relationship, co-edited with Paul Camacho. Most notably for today’s conversation, she is the author of Politics and the Early City in Augustine’s City of God. Published by Cambridge press in 2020. Buy her book here: https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/politics-and-the-earthly-city-in-augustines-city-of-god/EF184799CA67A3E20E53FD9E35E89FC5 Also check out John Cavadini's Essays: https://tertulia.com/book/visioning-augustine-john-c-cavadini/9781119105732