Samek explores how treating boxing as a sacred want turned it into presence, creativity, and a way to heal old trauma. Harry reflects on how deeper empowerment brings both freedom and grief—especially when “maybe later” lingers instead of a clean yes or no. Together they unpack the pain and beauty of honoring wants, owning a no, and letting go of old patterns.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Feeling our no

01:00 – Dao of boxing as presence and healing

06:50 – The grief hidden in empowerment

17:30 – Maybe later: the most painful pattern

32:00 – Owning a clean no vs. stringing along

38:00 – Treating every want as sacred

44:00 – Clarity, boundaries, and real power

52:00 – Fear of being real with some friends