Pertinence flips the script and interviews McClain this episode, diving deep into the emotions he felt while building Live2 in his college dorm room, and his healthy relationship with failure.

(0:00) Intro

(0:30) Lightning Round!

(3:56) Pert introduces the show (5:08) When was McClain the closest to giving up?

(8:30) What's the worst advice McClain's received?

(12:13) Pert gets absolutely geeked

(14:15) The guys meditate for 2 minutes

(14:48) What is 19-year-old McClain stoked on?

(19:45) What has been the most unexpected hardship?

(25:45) Every single idea from McClain has failed.

(27:09) Gen-Z Barbie!

(34:44) Pert reads fan fiction

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