Vanessa Sauter and Brennan Lodge join Caroline Wong for an intense discussion of red (offensive) and blue (defensive) capabilities and how artificial intelligence is changing each. Vanessa ponders the ability for artificial intelligence to generate more secure code than a human can, and stresses the importance of red teaming and manual penetration testing when it comes to the use of LLMs. Brennan describes how artificial intelligence can be used to manage governance, risk and compliance requirements and frameworks.