We have released Lisette's story this week and last week in light of Red Nose Day (@rednoseaustralia). Red Nose Australia aim to save little lives through research and education, and support those who are impacted by the death of a little one in pregnancy, infancy or childhood. If you have the capacity to donate to this incredibly important cause, you can do so via their Instagram page or website www.rednoseday.org.au Please note that today’s episode is a very emotional and sensitive one as we discuss full-term pregnancy and infant loss. If you do not feel like you are in a headspace to listen to this episode please skip ahead and come back whenever you’re ready. In part two of Lisette's story, we talk about her subsequent two pregnancies and postpartum after the tragic loss of her daughter Belle at 40 weeks pregnant, as well as a chemical pregnancy she experienced not long after losing Belle. Lisette and her husband escaped overseas to channel their grief into an adventure they had always wanted to do, the Camino Trail. Lisette shares with us all the beautiful synchronicities that they were shown on this trip, reminders of their beautiful baby girl. Unfortunately, on the way home, Lisette experienced a chemical pregnancy and this part of the story segues into a discussion about sex after birth. Lisette is very vulnerable and open when talking about this and shares that she and her husband were intimate very soon after the loss of Isabelle. Two weeks after returning home, Lisette discovered she was pregnant with their second baby, due on the exact same due date as Isabelle only one year later. Understandably, Lisette opted to have him earlier via a C-section at 36 weeks, completely supported by her care team, the same team she had for the pregnancy and birth of Isabelle. Lisette's postpartum with Cooper was challenging as she faced oversupply, loss of identity, and guilt for struggling with and loving postpartum, while also holding space for her grief. Lisette tells us that Cooper saved her life. Eventually, her family fell into a beautiful rhythm and they decided to wait a while before having another baby so that they could have time to process everything. Surprisingly though, Lisette found out she was pregnant again and eventually gave birth to her daughter Luella when Cooper was 22 months. Lisette's pregnancy with Lulu was similar to Cooper's and she opted for a selective C-section at 38 weeks. Her postpartum with Lulu was peaceful and Lisette was finally able to experience a beautiful baby bubble. She learned to sit with the guilt and the grief, whilst also hold space for all of her children and experiences. After her pregnancy with Luella, Lisette began EMDR therapy which she tells us has been incredibly helpful for her. Lisette leaves us with some beautiful advice about holding space for others who are going through the loss of an infant. She talks about starting the conversation around loss with the people who want to talk about it, and about remembering the ones we lost through connection and sharing. Lisette hopes to help others through her experiences and you can find her on IG: lisettebrock A message from us: If you or someone you are close to has experienced or is experiencing pregnancy or infant loss under whatever circumstances, please know that our hearts are with you and we are so incredibly sorry for your loss. Below are some links which may be helpful to you if you are impacted by any of the themes from today's episode Red Nose Australia (@rednoseaustralia) PANDA (@pandanational) Gidget Foundation (@gidgetfoundation) Heartfelt Photography (@heartfelt_ausnz) Precious Wings Qld (@preciouswingsqld) As always, please reach out to us via our socials (@theafterbirth_pod) if you would like to comment on today's episode or share your own story with us. Big love, Jazz & Liv