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The AFIRE Podcast
AFIRE
161 episodes
2 months ago
The One Big Beautiful Bill is now signed into law, prompting questions about tax risks, retaliatory measures, and impacts on U.S. real estate. So what does it all mean for cross-border investors in property markets? AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson sat down with DLA Piper tax partner Shiukay Hung to discuss the impact of the bill. “The Big Beautiful Bill is a very interesting piece of legislation,” says Hung, “Perhaps it's one of the few tax legislations in recent memory that came with a lot of tax drama.” The bill, which aimed to maintain tax cuts, proposed a 50% retaliatory tax on foreign investors from countries with unfair tax practices, and could have significantly affected investment returns. Despite initial concerns, the retaliatory tax provision, Section 899, was dropped before passing. Now that the bill is law, how should cross-border investors weigh domestic tax exemptions against international treaties, and what role does the bond market play in shaping policy? It’s all in the latest episode of the AFIRE podcast. LINKS Register for the 2025 AFIRE Annual Member Meeting Sept. 9-10 in NYC https://www.afire.org/events/amm25/ Read Shiukay’s paper on the Big Beautiful Bill https://www.dlapiper.com/en-ca/insights/publications/2025/06/litigation-funding-tax-and-retaliatory-tax Watch the AFIRE POV series of investor interviews https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOrtO-j6M9aS8Hr7DHeg562A8-HQrxi8o Read the latest articles from Summit Journal Issue #18 https://www.afire.org/summit/ Access the episode webpage featuring links to audio-only platforms here: https://www.afire.org/podcast/202515cast/ KEY MOMENTS 00:00 AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson intro 01:43 Welcome Shiukay Hung, Partner & Co-Chair, DLA Piper 01:51 Cross-border investor concerns 03:55 How big was the retaliatory tax threat? 06:26 What does the bill mean now? 08:31 Section 899 is gone, but the risk remains 11:45 What should investors be paying attention to? 13:45 Can the bond market keep us in check? 16:43 Who really influenced policy? 19:43 What investors are missing? 22:16 Final remarks
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The One Big Beautiful Bill is now signed into law, prompting questions about tax risks, retaliatory measures, and impacts on U.S. real estate. So what does it all mean for cross-border investors in property markets? AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson sat down with DLA Piper tax partner Shiukay Hung to discuss the impact of the bill. “The Big Beautiful Bill is a very interesting piece of legislation,” says Hung, “Perhaps it's one of the few tax legislations in recent memory that came with a lot of tax drama.” The bill, which aimed to maintain tax cuts, proposed a 50% retaliatory tax on foreign investors from countries with unfair tax practices, and could have significantly affected investment returns. Despite initial concerns, the retaliatory tax provision, Section 899, was dropped before passing. Now that the bill is law, how should cross-border investors weigh domestic tax exemptions against international treaties, and what role does the bond market play in shaping policy? It’s all in the latest episode of the AFIRE podcast. LINKS Register for the 2025 AFIRE Annual Member Meeting Sept. 9-10 in NYC https://www.afire.org/events/amm25/ Read Shiukay’s paper on the Big Beautiful Bill https://www.dlapiper.com/en-ca/insights/publications/2025/06/litigation-funding-tax-and-retaliatory-tax Watch the AFIRE POV series of investor interviews https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOrtO-j6M9aS8Hr7DHeg562A8-HQrxi8o Read the latest articles from Summit Journal Issue #18 https://www.afire.org/summit/ Access the episode webpage featuring links to audio-only platforms here: https://www.afire.org/podcast/202515cast/ KEY MOMENTS 00:00 AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson intro 01:43 Welcome Shiukay Hung, Partner & Co-Chair, DLA Piper 01:51 Cross-border investor concerns 03:55 How big was the retaliatory tax threat? 06:26 What does the bill mean now? 08:31 Section 899 is gone, but the risk remains 11:45 What should investors be paying attention to? 13:45 Can the bond market keep us in check? 16:43 Who really influenced policy? 19:43 What investors are missing? 22:16 Final remarks
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Sabrina Unger on Multifamily Markets in 2025
The AFIRE Podcast
11 minutes 35 seconds
10 months ago
Sabrina Unger on Multifamily Markets in 2025
What are the markets that commercial real estate investors are focused on in 2025? Will markets even matter this year? And which markets are best positioned to outperform? Sabrina Unger is the managing director and the head of research and strategy at American Realty Advisors—and one of the people AFIRE turns to for nuanced commentary on what’s really going on in commercial real estate. “Market selection as a driver of relative over- or under-performance may actually be reduced relative to some of the other levers that we have to pull when it comes to making geographic selection within a sector,” says Unger. “When we look back over history . . . the dispersion between the best and worst multifamily markets—that dispersion is the widest during periods of adjustment.” So, Unger says, dispersions were widest during the 2008 global financial crisis, the supply surge in 2016 and during the pandemic. “But outside these periods, market fundamentals… tend to cluster much closer together.” Consequently, the market narrative may actually be disguising really strong sub-market opportunities. Which is why her team has implemented a new sub-market targeting strategy. Or, in her words, “There’s a way to take advantage of that arbitrage.”
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The One Big Beautiful Bill is now signed into law, prompting questions about tax risks, retaliatory measures, and impacts on U.S. real estate. So what does it all mean for cross-border investors in property markets? AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson sat down with DLA Piper tax partner Shiukay Hung to discuss the impact of the bill. “The Big Beautiful Bill is a very interesting piece of legislation,” says Hung, “Perhaps it's one of the few tax legislations in recent memory that came with a lot of tax drama.” The bill, which aimed to maintain tax cuts, proposed a 50% retaliatory tax on foreign investors from countries with unfair tax practices, and could have significantly affected investment returns. Despite initial concerns, the retaliatory tax provision, Section 899, was dropped before passing. Now that the bill is law, how should cross-border investors weigh domestic tax exemptions against international treaties, and what role does the bond market play in shaping policy? It’s all in the latest episode of the AFIRE podcast. LINKS Register for the 2025 AFIRE Annual Member Meeting Sept. 9-10 in NYC https://www.afire.org/events/amm25/ Read Shiukay’s paper on the Big Beautiful Bill https://www.dlapiper.com/en-ca/insights/publications/2025/06/litigation-funding-tax-and-retaliatory-tax Watch the AFIRE POV series of investor interviews https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOrtO-j6M9aS8Hr7DHeg562A8-HQrxi8o Read the latest articles from Summit Journal Issue #18 https://www.afire.org/summit/ Access the episode webpage featuring links to audio-only platforms here: https://www.afire.org/podcast/202515cast/ KEY MOMENTS 00:00 AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson intro 01:43 Welcome Shiukay Hung, Partner & Co-Chair, DLA Piper 01:51 Cross-border investor concerns 03:55 How big was the retaliatory tax threat? 06:26 What does the bill mean now? 08:31 Section 899 is gone, but the risk remains 11:45 What should investors be paying attention to? 13:45 Can the bond market keep us in check? 16:43 Who really influenced policy? 19:43 What investors are missing? 22:16 Final remarks