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The AFIRE Podcast
AFIRE
161 episodes
2 months ago
The One Big Beautiful Bill is now signed into law, prompting questions about tax risks, retaliatory measures, and impacts on U.S. real estate. So what does it all mean for cross-border investors in property markets? AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson sat down with DLA Piper tax partner Shiukay Hung to discuss the impact of the bill. “The Big Beautiful Bill is a very interesting piece of legislation,” says Hung, “Perhaps it's one of the few tax legislations in recent memory that came with a lot of tax drama.” The bill, which aimed to maintain tax cuts, proposed a 50% retaliatory tax on foreign investors from countries with unfair tax practices, and could have significantly affected investment returns. Despite initial concerns, the retaliatory tax provision, Section 899, was dropped before passing. Now that the bill is law, how should cross-border investors weigh domestic tax exemptions against international treaties, and what role does the bond market play in shaping policy? It’s all in the latest episode of the AFIRE podcast. LINKS Register for the 2025 AFIRE Annual Member Meeting Sept. 9-10 in NYC https://www.afire.org/events/amm25/ Read Shiukay’s paper on the Big Beautiful Bill https://www.dlapiper.com/en-ca/insights/publications/2025/06/litigation-funding-tax-and-retaliatory-tax Watch the AFIRE POV series of investor interviews https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOrtO-j6M9aS8Hr7DHeg562A8-HQrxi8o Read the latest articles from Summit Journal Issue #18 https://www.afire.org/summit/ Access the episode webpage featuring links to audio-only platforms here: https://www.afire.org/podcast/202515cast/ KEY MOMENTS 00:00 AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson intro 01:43 Welcome Shiukay Hung, Partner & Co-Chair, DLA Piper 01:51 Cross-border investor concerns 03:55 How big was the retaliatory tax threat? 06:26 What does the bill mean now? 08:31 Section 899 is gone, but the risk remains 11:45 What should investors be paying attention to? 13:45 Can the bond market keep us in check? 16:43 Who really influenced policy? 19:43 What investors are missing? 22:16 Final remarks
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The One Big Beautiful Bill is now signed into law, prompting questions about tax risks, retaliatory measures, and impacts on U.S. real estate. So what does it all mean for cross-border investors in property markets? AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson sat down with DLA Piper tax partner Shiukay Hung to discuss the impact of the bill. “The Big Beautiful Bill is a very interesting piece of legislation,” says Hung, “Perhaps it's one of the few tax legislations in recent memory that came with a lot of tax drama.” The bill, which aimed to maintain tax cuts, proposed a 50% retaliatory tax on foreign investors from countries with unfair tax practices, and could have significantly affected investment returns. Despite initial concerns, the retaliatory tax provision, Section 899, was dropped before passing. Now that the bill is law, how should cross-border investors weigh domestic tax exemptions against international treaties, and what role does the bond market play in shaping policy? It’s all in the latest episode of the AFIRE podcast. LINKS Register for the 2025 AFIRE Annual Member Meeting Sept. 9-10 in NYC https://www.afire.org/events/amm25/ Read Shiukay’s paper on the Big Beautiful Bill https://www.dlapiper.com/en-ca/insights/publications/2025/06/litigation-funding-tax-and-retaliatory-tax Watch the AFIRE POV series of investor interviews https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOrtO-j6M9aS8Hr7DHeg562A8-HQrxi8o Read the latest articles from Summit Journal Issue #18 https://www.afire.org/summit/ Access the episode webpage featuring links to audio-only platforms here: https://www.afire.org/podcast/202515cast/ KEY MOMENTS 00:00 AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson intro 01:43 Welcome Shiukay Hung, Partner & Co-Chair, DLA Piper 01:51 Cross-border investor concerns 03:55 How big was the retaliatory tax threat? 06:26 What does the bill mean now? 08:31 Section 899 is gone, but the risk remains 11:45 What should investors be paying attention to? 13:45 Can the bond market keep us in check? 16:43 Who really influenced policy? 19:43 What investors are missing? 22:16 Final remarks
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Rebecca Rockey on the 2025 CRE Forecast
The AFIRE Podcast
13 minutes 13 seconds
10 months ago
Rebecca Rockey on the 2025 CRE Forecast
We left 2024 expecting surprises from political change and geopolitical shifts. But according to Rebecca Rockey, Deputy Chief Economist and Global Head of Forecasting at Cushman & Wakefield, the actual surprise in store during the year ahead may be how little things change. For example, some anticipate a widespread sell off of distressed commercial real estate assets in 2025. But Rockey believes the pace will be much slower than many expect. Rather than a cliff event, she predicts a slow burn that continues well into 2026 and perhaps even into 2027. “I don’t think we will have a shortage of surprises out of DC,” says Rockey, who lives in the area. “But I think there are forces in motion that are going to play out next year, regardless of what’s happening in the policy environment.” “…specifically around the capital markets, which are a defining feature of this cycle for commercial real estate. We’ve clearly gone through some repricing, we’ve seen capital sources start to shift around in response to that, and as we move forward this year those shifts in capital sources will continue to play out—and I think those changes will be much more prolonged than just 2025.” Other themes: What shifts does Rockey expect in the capital markets? Will distressed deals tick up in the year ahead—and by how much? Where the best opportunities are hiding in 2025? Watch the video or listen to the audio episode for answers.
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The One Big Beautiful Bill is now signed into law, prompting questions about tax risks, retaliatory measures, and impacts on U.S. real estate. So what does it all mean for cross-border investors in property markets? AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson sat down with DLA Piper tax partner Shiukay Hung to discuss the impact of the bill. “The Big Beautiful Bill is a very interesting piece of legislation,” says Hung, “Perhaps it's one of the few tax legislations in recent memory that came with a lot of tax drama.” The bill, which aimed to maintain tax cuts, proposed a 50% retaliatory tax on foreign investors from countries with unfair tax practices, and could have significantly affected investment returns. Despite initial concerns, the retaliatory tax provision, Section 899, was dropped before passing. Now that the bill is law, how should cross-border investors weigh domestic tax exemptions against international treaties, and what role does the bond market play in shaping policy? It’s all in the latest episode of the AFIRE podcast. LINKS Register for the 2025 AFIRE Annual Member Meeting Sept. 9-10 in NYC https://www.afire.org/events/amm25/ Read Shiukay’s paper on the Big Beautiful Bill https://www.dlapiper.com/en-ca/insights/publications/2025/06/litigation-funding-tax-and-retaliatory-tax Watch the AFIRE POV series of investor interviews https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOrtO-j6M9aS8Hr7DHeg562A8-HQrxi8o Read the latest articles from Summit Journal Issue #18 https://www.afire.org/summit/ Access the episode webpage featuring links to audio-only platforms here: https://www.afire.org/podcast/202515cast/ KEY MOMENTS 00:00 AFIRE CEO Gunnar Branson intro 01:43 Welcome Shiukay Hung, Partner & Co-Chair, DLA Piper 01:51 Cross-border investor concerns 03:55 How big was the retaliatory tax threat? 06:26 What does the bill mean now? 08:31 Section 899 is gone, but the risk remains 11:45 What should investors be paying attention to? 13:45 Can the bond market keep us in check? 16:43 Who really influenced policy? 19:43 What investors are missing? 22:16 Final remarks