In today's episode I chat with my friend and returning guest Matt Salis, the author of Soberevolution (a book about how to survive an alcoholic marriage) and host of the Untoxicated Podcast. I was casually listening to episode 197 of Matt's podcast when he started talking about how shame has creeped back into his life 6 years into sobriety, but this time it circles around food. I was so moved by what Matt shared that I knew I had to have him on to explore this topic deeper! Turns out, the same patterns we develop around alcohol consumption, hiding, lying, defensiveness and deflections, can rear their ugly head when it comes to our relationship with food. Matt and I discuss what happens when other people judge our food choices, when we judge ourselves for our food choices, and where alcohol and food are different when it comes to moderation. We discuss the role of will power, the importance of releasing rigidity, and the power of vulnerability. Shame and perfectionism are major enemies to progress, and there's just no room for them in a resilient recovery. I hope that Matt's vulnerability with this topic inspires and encourages you to better understand your personal relationship food, and know that we are all in this together!

If you want to learn more about Matt and his resources he can be reached at the following links:

Podcast: https://un-toxicated.com/ https://thestigma.org/author/mattsalis/ Soberevolution:https://soberandunashamed.com/books/