There's complexity in the nuance of doing Ownership work vs. Organisational Leadership work.

Hamish (Founder) and Tania (Organisational Leader) generously let us in on their perspectives when it comes to the dance of doing ownership and leadership and having empathy for the other role..

We spend time unpacking:

• The benefits of nicking off for a surf, mid work day.
• Doing the hard yards to deliver on your vision.
• Building a tech driven economy by uplifting the community.
• Excellence in software development.
• What is DonkOps.
• Learning to let go when you're the owner but you're fixing the wi-fi.
• Learning to have empathy for the owner when you're leading.

Tania and Hamish takes a fun and lighthearted approach to many big topics that effect the owners and leaders of small and medium businesses.

Bill talking about 'stepping out' vs 'handing over'