In this episode Oliver interviews musician and disability activist John Kelly about his music, growing up with singing in a London-Irish family, getting involved with the folk scene and access. Drawing on the interview and their own lived experience Joanie and Oliver discuss how disability and neurodiversity is experienced within the folk scene in England. John and Oliver both talked about the Social Model of Disability. You can learn more about John’s work and music on his website and through social media @JK_Musician. Music in the episode: “Nobody Sings about My Heroes” from John Kelly’s album Better Late Than Never (2022); and, “Old Adam (Reprise)” from Fay Hield’s album Old Adam (2016, Soundpost Records). All music used with permission from the artists and copyright holders.