In this episode we ask 'If the planet is on fire, how can universities and academics continue in a business as usual manner?'... this week host John Barry is joined by three academic-activists, Dr. Laura Horn, Dr. Aaron Thierry and Prof. Jennie Stephens to discuss the views on how and in what ways the higher education system needs to change, what we need to unlearn as well as learn, why so many of our colleagues seem not to be affected by the polycrisis we are now in, the emotional and psychological dimensions of teaching and researching this issue and the challenges and benefits of being an activist and sometimes (well often!) being as 'welcome as a fart in a space suit' for asking awkward questions! Knowledge is power...so arm yourselves...enjoy!