It’s an absolute honor to have one of the pioneers of precision teaching on the show, Dr. Clay Starlin. You’ll hear in this episode how he paved the way for teachers and disenfranchised children as he takes us on a journey through the profession that he has loved for nearly five decades of his life. You'll learn about his childhood, his own struggles with reading as a child, and what ultimately motivated him to focus on improving student outcomes through the use of precise measurement. He also talks about how he developed verbal behavior around precision teaching and how continus to assist teachers in understanding how to deliver effective instruction and achieve mastery with their students, and so much more.   Join our The ABA and PT Podcast Facebook Group to get access to the following resources: Facebook group link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/397478901376425    Check out the podcast on your favorite platform! Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-aba-and-ot-podcast/id1538336498   Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7ieqLjFH8ekw2DA0VTWJno   Google Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkLnBvZGJlYW4uY29tL3RoZWFiYWFuZG90cG9kY2FzdC9mZWVkLnhtbA==  Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-aba-and-ot-podcast   Podbean: https://theabaandotpodcast.podbean.com   Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/abaandptpodcast     HIGHLIGHTS 1:28 Clay's early life and the people who have greatly influenced his career. 6:26 How dyslexia affected his own education. 19:05 His development of verbal behavior around precision teaching. 23:42 What s Precision Teaching classroom looks like. 29:59 Why Precision Teachers leave the public sector. 34:24 Dr. Starlin walks us through his journey post his doctorate. 42:22 How Precision Teachers traditionally have shared charts and data and collaborated. 50:51 The results of charting his own behavior. 1:21:00 What keeps him busy these days.   RESOURCES Get the book, The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn: https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Scientific-Revolutions-50th-Anniversary-dp-0226458121/dp/0226458121/ref=mt_other?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=1646092023 Watch the Heart to Chart video series on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/c/HearttheChart Details of how to purchase a wrist counter at Mohawk Leathers: http://www.mohawkleathers.com/ Clay’s upcoming book, Weaving Love and Science into Educational Practice, will be available at https://greatnessachieved.com/ Articles by Clay Starlin can be found here: https://www.fluency.org/publications Learn more about Bemidji State College’s Special Education program: https://www.bemidjistate.edu/academics/departments/special-education/emotional-behavioral-disorders-licensure/ Skinner on Measurement 2013 Revision by Ogden R. Lindsley   QUOTES 30:43 “I have not given up on the public sector, because I think that is the place where the disenfranchised children of the world need to be supported because they don't have the resources to go to a private tutoring.” 32:02 “There needs to be a system that says, if your students are consistently not learning, there needs to be some correction. And you must accept it, or you must leave the profession.” 1:02:40 “If you invest all your energy on people they go away, but if you invested in policies, policies have a tendency to stay.” 1:06:09 “All educators agree that we want to get kids to mastery, but we don't agree on how to define it.” 1:15:03 “In loving relationships, if you don't have the truth, you're in trouble, and science is all about searching for the truth.” 1:19:02 “I have all these quotes from people saying, simplicity is genius, and on and on, but it really is hard to make it simple.”