Tim and Joe discuss the 2002 psychological thriller Red Dragon, currently streaming on Netflix. Why? Because 4-Scene-Phil will NOT be stopped! How do we handle the art made by people who have done awful things? Is Jack Black just as good as Philip Seymour Hoffman lol? What makes Edward Norton so good? What's the value of letting art surprise and move you rather than resisting it for your own ego's gratification? What makes Phil so authentic in his performances? How did Phil always know how to fit his performance into the overall film? How can actors find their place in the story when they're playing a supporting role? Is there a Tooth Fairy and/or Freddy Lounds in all of us? How does this film point us to increasing our empathy? All that and probably not that much more let's be honest that's a lot in this thirteenth episode of "That's That: A Philip Seymour Hoffman Retrospective Podcast."

This episode's guest is friend and armchair film critic, Joe Reuhlmann. You can get some serious Joe slice of life on his Instagram or connect with him on LinkedIn if you're a #serious #professional. 

"That's That" is sponsored by One County Film Company, produced and hosted by Timothy Mark Davis, edited by Ryan Arnst, with show music composed by Jessica Rae Huber, and artwork by Drew Hanagen. Additional music from Rotem Moav. 

Our next episode is on the 1999 crime, drama, thriller The Talented Mr. Ripley, currently streaming on Hulu (it recently left HBOMax). Our guest will be friend, filmmaker, and collaborator Kelli Rae Jordan.