This week, Ellen and Eden sit down with Michelle Meyer—a seasoned technology executive who’s been both a role model and a mentor to women in tech. From sports to sales to the boardroom, Michelle shares stories of grit, growth, and leadership, plus a few unexpected detours. Together we unpack how to sell the vision when you’re not the one coding, build credibility at the right altitude, and keep your energy for the work that matters. We cover mentorship, making tough calls, and finding your lane without playing the comparison game—then detour into a charming, very Michelle side project.