In this episode, Xola Ntshinga speaks with former Springbok flyhalf André Pretorius, who now coaches in Japan’s League One. Pretorius reflects on the toughest lesson of his career — the Test he says he “lost for South Africa” — and how that moment shaped his philosophy as a coach.

He shares rare insight into Jake White’s influence, the importance of discomfort in elite rugby, and the emotional intelligence required to coach across cultures. From breaking language barriers to building trust in Japan’s rigid rugby system, Pretorius reveals how simplicity and empathy can unlock performance.

The discussion turns to South African rugby — the Lions’ ongoing struggles, the Currie Cup’s brutal schooling, and the question of leadership in a divided system. Honest, humble, and sharp — this is rugby insight from a man who’s lived both sides of the game.

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