In this episode, I talk with pastor Mark Vroegop about his recent work on patience, waiting, and the Christian life. In our conversation, we also talk about pastoral ministry and the value of serving as a pastor-theologian. The books we discuss in this conversation are Waiting isn't a Waste: The Surprising Comfort of Trusting God in the Uncertainties of Life (Crossway) and Dark Clouds, Deep Mercy: Discovering the Grace of Lament (Crossway).     Vroegop is Lead Pastor of College Park Church in Indianapolis. College Park Church has an excellent ministry training program called The Residency that offers theological education within the context of the local church.      This podcast is hosted by Ched Spellman (https://linktr.ee/chedspellman). Thanks for listening! Substack Series on the Canonical Approach:https://bit.ly/3rht399My Most Recent Book:https://amzn.to/3ELxbBkEpisode Sponsor: https://cedarville.edu/gradpodcastDigital Tip Jar ("Buy Me a Coffee"):https://www.buymeacoffee.com/chedspellman Clarifying Note: The views of special guests are their own & do not necessarily reflect my own or the organizations with which I am formally and informally affiliated.