After many episodes talking about how we can help to encourage newcomers into the world of testing, Neil finally decides it's a good idea to interview somebody who's been through this process recently! We're joined by Kelly Kenyon, to discuss the many (oftentimes musical) threads of her working life, and how they have eventually led her to discover the joy of testing. We discuss Kelly's experiences at the Coders Guild Bootcamp, some of her biggest learnings and revelations, and how well it's prepared her for the "real world". We also get into deep discussion about the challenges of managing and moderating your learning objectives. On the music front, there are a couple of picks which speak to Kelly's musical background, and an eclectic selection of chart hits which allow us to finally tick off a few more "I can't believe nobodys picked this artist before" entries. This episode is sponsored by Provar, the leading expert in accelerating innovation within the Salesforce ecosystem. Founded by experts in the Salesforce community, Provar provides a robust test automation solution to help you deliver scalable and repeatable tests. Automated and polymorphic testing is the key to maximizing your Salesforce investment. https://www.provartesting.com/