I have known Deena Metzger for about 15 years..and I’ve known about her for many more. She’s been both a teacher and a role model of mine. In some ways it’s hard to describe Deena. Probably the most accurate thing I could say is that she is unconventional. And in a way that’s too bad. Because Deena, in addition to being a writer and author (her latest novel is A Rain of Nightbirds), is also a teacher, a global activist and healer, a Warrior Woman and a Shaman in the classical sense of being a bridge from indigenous ways to the modern world. And I believe the world would benefit from more of this kind of un-convention. We’re chatting on a hot day at the top of one of the canyons outside of LA. We’ve got the company of a puppy that’s a bit frisky some of the time so we enjoyed that as well. Deena’s one of those folks that I learn something from every time I’m around her. Today was no exception. Hope you enjoy it as much as we did.