Ben White is joined by teacher and writer Martin Griffin for a role-reversal episode, with Martin leading the questions and Ben in the interviewee’s chair. Together, they explore Ben’s story, what drives his work in schools, and what he’s learned over his career. The conversation turns to the rise of AI in education—why a large minority of students say they hate it, what lies behind their concerns—and then gets practical: responding to specific questions about which uses are condoned (for staff and/or students), what we should teach staff, students and parents about AI, and how teachers can handle the challenges it poses for genuine independent learning, especially around homework.