Will an era of rap that's finally making room for its male elders make equitable space for women and MaGes too?
For this conversation we use the Clipse epic rollout as grown ass rappers (Pusha T, 48 & Malice, 53) launching their highly rated album and successful tour - to explore the experiences and P.O.V of Black women in and around the industry. I promise you it's not a reach.
Culture writer Starr Rocque & PR Strategist Uchechi Chinyere join me to discuss all things Clipse, hip-hop, Black women & femmes.
You don’t have to know shxt about the Clipse or their latest album Let God Sort Em’ Out to enjoy this conversation, but also please email and let me know how you managed to avoid knowing shxt about the Clipse during this very Clipse 2025.
I think it's important to note that Tyler the Creator who shows up in one of the best features of the album is queer. We mention his feature, but not his queerness, which IS relevant in THIS conversation.
Watch the full video version of this episode on patreon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-clipse-of-138611501?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Starr Rocque @starr_rocque
Uchechi Chinyere @wordsbyuchechi
Women rapper thread: https://www.threads.com/@janiciaf/post/DMDQXE7gI6j?xmt=AQF0WN0h7xzS2qlRGsOYMykXzUyAAPgE41MUyQlMM43TAQ
00:00 intro
1:52 Hyperbolic Bronx rappers
3:47 Growing up with The Clipse
8:19 Sometimes you just want n****s to rap
11:54 "Drake" "was" "a" "backpacker"
13:10 The Black Women problem
17:58 Women rappers & The Clipse
23:49 Doechii won't stop talking about her vxgina
24:42 Rapsody the obvious or problematic choice
28:20 Give us nothing Nas!
29:25 Ageism
40:09 André 3000
44:10 Misogyny in hip hop is systemic AND personal
48:46 Colorism
58:47 Christianity
1:09:51 Journalism
1:17:15 When women and girls love hip hop
1:35:46 Gatekeeping Black women out, ushering white people in
1:44:04 Asking for what we deserve
1:49:17 Attending Clipse NPR Tiny Desk
1:52:50 Honesty in hip hop and IRL
1:57:17 Big sibling energy
2:03:59 What happened with The Grapevine
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Will an era of rap that's finally making room for its male elders make equitable space for women and MaGes too?
For this conversation we use the Clipse epic rollout as grown ass rappers (Pusha T, 48 & Malice, 53) launching their highly rated album and successful tour - to explore the experiences and P.O.V of Black women in and around the industry. I promise you it's not a reach.
Culture writer Starr Rocque & PR Strategist Uchechi Chinyere join me to discuss all things Clipse, hip-hop, Black women & femmes.
You don’t have to know shxt about the Clipse or their latest album Let God Sort Em’ Out to enjoy this conversation, but also please email and let me know how you managed to avoid knowing shxt about the Clipse during this very Clipse 2025.
I think it's important to note that Tyler the Creator who shows up in one of the best features of the album is queer. We mention his feature, but not his queerness, which IS relevant in THIS conversation.
Watch the full video version of this episode on patreon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/what-clipse-of-138611501?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Starr Rocque @starr_rocque
Uchechi Chinyere @wordsbyuchechi
Women rapper thread: https://www.threads.com/@janiciaf/post/DMDQXE7gI6j?xmt=AQF0WN0h7xzS2qlRGsOYMykXzUyAAPgE41MUyQlMM43TAQ
00:00 intro
1:52 Hyperbolic Bronx rappers
3:47 Growing up with The Clipse
8:19 Sometimes you just want n****s to rap
11:54 "Drake" "was" "a" "backpacker"
13:10 The Black Women problem
17:58 Women rappers & The Clipse
23:49 Doechii won't stop talking about her vxgina
24:42 Rapsody the obvious or problematic choice
28:20 Give us nothing Nas!
29:25 Ageism
40:09 André 3000
44:10 Misogyny in hip hop is systemic AND personal
48:46 Colorism
58:47 Christianity
1:09:51 Journalism
1:17:15 When women and girls love hip hop
1:35:46 Gatekeeping Black women out, ushering white people in
1:44:04 Asking for what we deserve
1:49:17 Attending Clipse NPR Tiny Desk
1:52:50 Honesty in hip hop and IRL
1:57:17 Big sibling energy
2:03:59 What happened with The Grapevine
Email me teawithqueenandj@gmail.com
Support
Paypal: www.paypal.com/paypalme/teawithqj
Patreon: www.patreon.com/teawithqj
Not to bring up old shxt, but I don't like how "the media" glazed over Kendrick Lamar calling out ShxtsNGigs specifically, on 'wacced out murals'. Kendrick is just as sick of the podcast industrial complex as the rest of us and I think that's hilarious. In this episode we talk about Kendrick (because I must) but more importantly we use the men-with-podcast-equipment epidemic as a jumping off point for how to approach trusting men in our community, the potential for betrayal - and how the way we approach both reflects our understandings of oppression, and our individual relationships to power, privilege, and accountability.
00:58 LA fires, California Black Freedom Fund
2:14 Kendrick Lamar is tired of the podcast industrial complex too
5:51 Queen is ok not watching anime
8:37 Were James & Fuhad ever “one of the good ones”
10:56 Is participating in misogyny a choice
13:18 Misogyny sounds cute in a British accent
15:26 Your privilege increases your capacity to harm
17:16 Hyper-focusing on marginalization lets privilege of the hook
19:33 Deifying “nice” men
23:05 Is the disappointment/upset at men like ShxtsNGigs performative
24:53 Are you an agent of oppression?
31:50 Are you in community with people more marginalized than you
36:40 Is your partner's misogyny a reflection of you
Check out the California Black Freedom Fund https://www.pledge.to/BlackLA
For other vetted funds, resources, and events in California check out Philanthropy CA https://www.philanthropyca.org/2025-california-disaster-response
The previous episode referenced is Black American Dollars, Black American Politics, available on patreon, where we discuss the ShxtsNGigs incident and anti-Blackness across the diaspora: https://www.patreon.com/posts/bonus-video-113195050?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Watch full video version of this episode on patreon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/is-participating-121221180?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_link
Music featured in this episode includes "Totter Teeter" by Guustavv https://www.epidemicsound.com/track/4y6tgclvb0/
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This episode was created, hosted, and produced by Naima Lewis Muhammad & Janicia Francis, with editorial support from Jonathan Luna,
Opening song by Ohene Cornelius