In this episode Mana Ashford, NZ Institute National Board member speaks with Jane Jujnovich and Darren Knight. Jane is a Project Director at Kāinga Ora and has been with the organisation in a number of roles for over 20 years.  In 2023 Jane won the Innovation Award at the Institute’s NZ Building People Awards for her work leading the transformative Te Mātāwai project in Tāmaki | Auckland. Darren is the Auckland Commercial Area Sales Manager for Winstone Wallboards (GIB) and has built a career with a range of roles across major products and companies in the construction sector. In their discussion they cover: Understanding the cyclical nature of the construction industry and the importance of being flexible within that, Being a part of positive change for the community and in people’s lives, Changes in increased diversity and the need for targets and concrete goals to move forward, Finding your niche and making yourself indispensable, Learning from others at all levels, Taking opportunities and not saying no, Plus, more chat about skincare than you’d expect… ** apologies for the sound in the middle of the episode, someone was unloading a dishwasher.