In this conversation Michael Shevlin talks about the challenges faced by learners with intellectual disabilities in transitioning to third-level education, and the need for more inclusive education. Michael emphasises the importance of recognising the value and potential of individuals with intellectual disabilities, and providing them with equal opportunities for education and employment. He highlights the need for systemic change, including co-creation, universal design for learning, and mentorship, to empower young people with disabilities. Michael also emphases the importance of involving young people in the decision-making process in education and the role of good people in making this change happen