What if pressing pause is the smartest move you can make? We get real about closing out Season 10 to focus energy where it compounds, sharing the why behind a deliberate hiatus and the plan to return stronger. The mission now is Wrap Shit With P: branding, merchandise, curated gifting, and VA-powered project management for creatives and entrepreneurs who want to show up bigger, bolder, and better. We unpack how a podcast can be more than content—it can be a client engine—once the offers, systems, and tracking are dialled in.

Chase from Mowpod joins us with a rare, transparent look at audience growth that actually pays off. Instead of selling impressions, Mowpod runs on pay-for-performance: you only pay when key outcomes happen, like Apple follows or episode engagement. We trace his journey from early ad real estate to newsletter wins and into podcasting, including the product that flopped and the decision to pivot fast. That story lands hard for independent podcasters and scrappy founders: failure is data, and iteration beats ego. Signals to watch for product–market fit, how to judge when to persist versus redirect, and why optimism is a founder’s renewable fuel all show up here.

If you’re an indie creator feeling stretched thing as this conversation offers a practical blueprint for stepping back without giving up. We talk early clients, seasonal corporate gifting, creative operations, and the tools that turn link-in-bio chaos into insight. The promise is simple: close well, build your engine, and come back with a show that sells by serving. If that resonates, tap follow, share with a friend who needs permission to pivot, and leave a quick review so more creators find their way back to momentum.

Get in touch with Chase and find out more about MowPod via https://mowpod.com/

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