In episode 11 of TABI's Tarot World, Victoria and Gwen talk to Al about the various incarnations of the Wheel of Fortune. Al tells us about the goddess Fortuna and how the historical Tarot illustration in the Visconti Sforza was adapted to bring new meaning to the card in the Marseille. We take a deep dive into what's going on in the Marseille Wheel — the platform, the crank, the sword, and the figures, just for starters — then the Thoth and RWS versions, and we see more in common than we expected. There's so much to the meaning of the card — is it about having more agency over changes in our lives, or exactly the opposite? Unavoidable change can lead to great realisation and evolution, if we can only be brave enough to give the Wheel a whirl. All discusses why it can be difficult for readers to get into the Marseille, and what makes a Marseille deck, anyway? And he tells us about his favourite Marseille deck — one to look up for sure! Crystals and fragrances round out the chat. If you'd like to have a look at the fantastic website Victoria mentions for stones, herbs, incense, and a lot more good stuff, it's alchemy-works.com You can find Al on Instagram: @harandayltarot Want to find out more about TABI? Visit our website at tabi.org.uk Membership is international and only £20 per year. If you'd like to get in touch with Victoria and Gwen, you can email us: podcast@tabi.org