Welcome to the watery world of the Hanged Man, the second of the four Elemental trumps, where everything stops whether we like it or not, our expectations are turned on their head, and the question might just turn out to be the answer. In episode 13 of TABI's Tarot World, Victoria and Gwen are joined by Heather Jones, owner of Numinous Press and creator of The Great Workbook, for a discussion about how the Hanged Man manifests in real life. Heather tells us about her experiences in the last year, and how living in very close quarters with the Hanged Man has given her a new perspective on the interlinked role that symbolic and literal water can play in our lives. We take a deep dive into the esoteric implications: are we being drowned? Baptised? Just hanging in there? Associations with Odin, Christ, and Osiris are well-known, but the Egyptian frog-goddess Heqet reminds us that the whole point of drowning is what comes after. Depite the constant roar of the Mighty Waters, the Hanged Man is 'The Path of Stable Intelligence', the presence of Consciousness in every aspect of the world around us and beyond. We discuss different illustrations and interpretations of the Hanged Man in readings, what we do when the card is reversed, and Heather brings in Crowley's 777 for a look at stones and scents associated with the card. Heather writes for Substack https://shorturl.at/pu6HM and you can also find her on the Numinous Press website https://www.numinouspress.com/ , and on Instagram and Facebook as @numinouspress. Want to find out more about TABI? Visit our website at www.tabi.org.uk Membership is international and only £20 per year. If you'd like to get in touch with Victoria and Gwen, you can email us: podcast@tabi.org