Mel, Michael, and Joel discuss what to do if you experience trials which leave you feeling like less of a person. Can we be certain God will make us better as we walk through difficult seasons? What if God doesn't restore to us what was lost? Next they discuss the maturation required of men if they want to succeed in marriage. What is the biblical difference between a boy and a man? They also touch on the connection between exhaustion and moral failure. What part of exhaustion lends itself to moral failure? They finish the conversation trying to find the balance between fatalism and a messiah-complex, as well as discussing the heresy of memorialism.