Chris and Christine Stigall, hosts of the Herzog Foundation's Making the Leap podcast, join Students Over Systems to share how they encourage and equip parents to make choices best suited for their families. Chris and Christine (a former public school educator) discuss both their family's education choices and concerns they hear from other parents, including how some public schools have become "fancy rec centers." The Stigalls also describe the Herzog Foundation's extensive training resources for churches and educators interested in expanding or opening schools.

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The Students Over Systems podcast features conversations that celebrate education freedom and brighter futures. Host Ginny Gentles, director of the Education Freedom Center at Independent Women’s Forum, is joined by the parents and policymakers who empower families with leverage and options.

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